911, radio calls released from KDH stabbing

| October 11, 2012

Dare EMS unit (file photo).

The Voice has obtained 911 and radio traffic recordings from Dare Central Communications related to a stabbing in the early morning hours of Sunday, Oct. 7, in Kill Devil Hills.

The recordings include a call by a Kill Devil Hills police officer for mutual assistance, a 911 call made by someone in a vehicle carrying the stabbing victim, and radio traffic between Dare Central and an EMS crew in Kill Devil Hills confronted by multiple individuals.

The first recording is the mutual aid call from an unidentified police officer responding to a fight in the vicinity of The Pit and Fuji restaurants.

The second recording is the 9-1-1 call, which is offered unedited, and language can be heard in the clip that some may find offensive. Listener discretion is advised.

The caller appears to be confused as to their location, describing the road as “Manteo Highway,” the water tower adjacent to the Kill Devil Hills fire station on Croatan Highway as the “Devil Hills Tower,” and the station as the “Manteo Fire Station.”

The caller then states they see an ambulance. In their haste to help the victim, occupants of the vehicle approached the ambulance and began banging on the windows to gain admission.

The dispatcher attempts to calm the caller, who then tries to relay information to the others who continue to try to get the ambulance crew to open their doors.

The caller repeatedly tells the dispatcher the stabbing victim is “blanking out” and losing blood.

The tape ends when a supervisor appears on scene and the victim is allowed in the ambulance.

The final recording is on-air traffic between the ambulance and Dare Central.

The first portion of the recording is a call for mutual assistance to all law enforcement units to stage at the Fuji restaurant for a fight in progress.

There is also an advisement of “shots being fired” at the scene, but there has not been any corroboration by any agency of that report.

In this exchange, the ambulance notes they have come upon a vehicle blocking their path near Mako Mike’s restaurant, south of the Dare EMS station.

Multiple occupants of the vehicle are beating on the ambulance, and the crew says they are reluctant to open their doors.

The EMS crew requests law enforcement to come to their aid, but they are told all officers are handling a “200 person fight” nearby and no officers are available.

The tape ends at the same time as the 911 call concludes, when an EMS supervisor arrives on the scene and informs Dare Central the victim is being transported to Outer Banks Hospital.

The unidentified man was later transferred to Norfolk Sentara General Hospital for treatment. Police say he has not cooperated with their investigation.

Kill Devil Hills police chief Gary Britt said arrests were pending in the case, and requested the public provide any additional information they may have regarding the stabbing.


See what people are saying:

  • Make gangs uncomfortable! says:

    I wonder if the people of the OBX would support a ban on saggy pants. It’s a start in making this area non-gang friendly. We could use the income. And it gives police the ability to confront more people that may be gang related.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/saggy-pants-ban-albany-georgia.html

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  • wow says:

    Are you saying that anyone who wears saggy pants is a gang member????

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 3:05 pm

  • Make gangs uncomfortable! says:

    No, I am saying that almost all gang members wear saggy pants!

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  • Erin says:

    This is a family beach. How horrible. Not loving this place as much as I did 10 years ago. Very sad.

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  • William says:

    You can listen to live police/fire/EMS radio traffic on the Dare County 911 scanner at http://www.obxairwaves.com

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

  • OBXpermares says:

    @William

    The Radio Reference site is better (it’s the same feed) because your audio player will display what agency is talking and you can get archived recordings of the radio traffic.

    http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1914

    Unfortunately, The gentleman’s internet connection who runs the online feed went down for a few hours Saturday night half an hour before these events occurred so I wasn’t able to listen (I believe he is upgrading his equipment now to prevent this again).

    Regardless, it’s time to nip this problem in the bud before it becomes out of hand. It’s time to clamp down on the Pit, Longboards, Port’O'Call, and other places where problems are starting because the OBX is not going to put up with this mess.

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

  • Saggy Pants says:

    Enforcing a dress code (ie. banning saggy pants, tall tees, super long jean shorts) is an easy way to keep out those who are stereotypically in gangs and committ gang-related violence. Or the Pit should consider stopping Hip-Hop night because obviously the crowd who attends it can’t keep their knives in their pants.

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  • WoW again says:

    And then maybe you can microchip them too. A dress code isn’t going to stop drug trafficking.

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

  • WoW again says:

    Kudos to the EMS supervisor that came to assist them.

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  • You know who says:

    Well there you go

  • on October 11, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  • localguy says:

    a dress code sounds like a good start.
    how could it hurt ?

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 7:36 am

  • chris says:

    Sounds like to true winners on the 911 call. Uneducated pos…

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:02 am

  • smh says:

    First of all it was birthday party, the girls whose birthday it was invited Both her boyfriends ,the two boyfriends had a fight and ended up a stabbing. This was not a Gang problem it was a problem . I read these comments and it makes me realize people have no clue about where they live and as I can tell do not want to, if they did have a small amount of interaction with our community they might not make dumb comments as dress code of saggy pants ,really. Come support FFHS Homecoming today at 2 if you care about your community and want to support our county in a positive way!

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  • smh says:

    And also if all gang members where baggy pants I guess people with Tattoos are drug addicts ,huh ? If you have a shaved head you must be a skinhead ? I believe that like I believe the preacher mans daughter is a saint!

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:16 am

  • jjr says:

    smh if ignorance were gold you would be wealthy.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  • Tim says:

    This is what you get with school dropouts. I am sure they are part of the 47% with hands out for handouts. I am amazed they can figure out how to use a cell phone.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:44 am

  • jr hatley says:

    if ypu dont get a grip on the gangs now it will be come like any other town not safe for children or adults at nite people stop coming and gsngs will take over

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  • jr hatley says:

    if it was just a birthday party what kind of friends do you have you need new friend not idiots stab someone how stupid grow up be someone you cant be a baby forever

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 10:19 am

  • use to be says:

    Excellent job done by the Comm officer on the tape and the ems personal, stayed cooled and was clear on request!! great job Dare Central

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  • Joe Joe says:

    Hey where the police recording…I like to hear them.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  • DOGS says:

    Either way, birthday party both boyfriends in attendance, a stabbing should not of happened and the women on the EMS team should not of been in fear for coming to help. There are gangs here, there is domestic violence, break-ins, hold-ups (look the video from Wendy’s), how he got away in those white shoes I do not know…our teenagers are taking herion let alone all the grown people who are, go to the fooe lions and notice all the people with no shoes, dirty and so high and not on life either. It is a major concern and is impacting every part of our beautiful beach our home here. Do not think the thousands of tourist are not aware of. They do not have to come to spend their $$$$ there are so many more beautiful places to take your family. No one is being fooled…people are already saying they are ot going to retire here i homes they have rented out for years to do so. The Kelly’s…of this beach arre rich enough, they need to take a backseat and remember where they came from because soon no one will begiving their $$$$ to places that catered to this type of clientele. I bet they will not retire here…there is so much keep under wraps here that now it is out of control and they have over populated us. Bring in the eexpert because it is already too late.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  • DOGSfATHER says:

    Sorry, but it is already too late for the children and adults.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 11:07 am

  • Mike P says:

    This sounds like what is going in in Portsmouth and Norfolk. We need to keep these clowns on the mainland.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  • Whta is the answer? says:

    As we often do, there are a number of responses, many of them knee jerk in situations like this. Since this occurred at a night spot it is possible that few, if any of these culprits live in Dare County.
    In many communities, particularly the progressive ones (of which I count Dare County)there is an increase in “prevention” as a result of these types of events. An increase in police presence and selective enforcement patrols/stops have a way of heading these things off.
    I am sure our law enforcements folks are working on such a plan.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  • Daniel L. Barth says:

    The gang activity on the Outer Banks has seems to increase every month for the past few years. There are also homegrown gangs from the high schools that are growing and becoming increasingly territorial. This was probably a turf war between MORE THAN 2 gangs and really was more than 200 involve in the incident. Do not say it was not gangs cuz you just sound like you do not know what you are talking about cuz you do not. I think it was at least 3 of the following:W1, W3, KolK, ColB, KDHG, SSS, NDSS, MpM, WTDS, MHSBH, UAUIU? (tag at CCHS), 252

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  • Wyatt Earp says:

    Kill em all!!!

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  • Civility on OBV Please says:

    These postings remind me of how badly this area needs supplemental grammar education.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  • Seriously says:

    banning saggy pants…LOL

    You don’t want gangs here….address the drug problem. It won’t be easy for this area, since the local politicians would rather everything be hidden out of sight. Their “if we ignore it, it might go away” has lead us to the problems of today. The DUI problem here is just as big of a danger, but it is largely ignored. Just get’em liquor cycles….

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  • Seriously says:

    Why are there gangs coming here?

    Is it the sand….the surf….the sun?

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 9:05 pm

  • KHer says:

    The gangs are here because the drug users here have more cash, plain and simple. Law Enforcement is responding to the problem, but should learn a lesson and be pro-active and apply the Barney Fife philosophy of sheriffing: “Nip it in the bud”.

    I’m glad our capable medics were unharmed. What does it say when all our police (meaning on the beach) are at one location? Think we have too many cops? Not likely.

  • on October 12, 2012 @ 10:09 pm

  • OBX Tom says:

    The realtors are going to make a mint. If this gets out the For Sale signs will litter the OBX. Get out before its too late. Anyone interested in a cheap house in Kitty Hawk ?

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 7:47 am

  • k.h.local says:

    Heck theres been turf war here ever since i can remember and ever since my father can remember,i guess in those days you didn’t call the BEACHERS,MANTEOERS,WANCHESERS,MANNS HARBORERS,STUMPY POINTERS gangs back in the day,theres a many a local tales about when they would run in too each other on a weekend,no diffirent than those days just the weapons have gone from bare knuckle to knifes and guns.This mess has been going on for yrs and all of a sudden everything that happens is gang related,sounds like the police depts trying to get more monies to their dept screaming gangs,you’ll know when they hit here when the killing start,the drive buys shootings,and so forth,we haven’t seen any of that,thats what happens in gangland we’re far from that!!!!!!!

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 8:55 am

  • Building moratorium says:

    The answer is a broad based building moratorium and an entrance tax on the bridges in the form of a large toll to help pay for the demand placed on our local resources (police/fire, water/power/communications infrastructure).

    Taking a wider view of this issue leads me to the irrefutable conclusion that this issue is a result of the “growth at all costs” mentality of the local realtors and builders and the respective associations and community groups/boards these special interests occupy. (Understand that Im not painting all realtors and all builders with this broad brush. Not all are like this, a few truely community based builders and realtors are out there, but they are few and far between and they know who they are.)

    Why is it the doing of these two groups?

    Realtors are commission based. No sale/no food. Say anything to anybody from anywhere who may qualify for a loan. Sell anything to anybody anywhere regardless of the impact to the community. Realtors are commission focused, nothing else, and could give two craps about who they put in your neighborhood. At the height of the market there were 1500 licensed realtors serving a year round population base of 30k. Thats right, fully 5% of our community could sell you a house, and the sharks were swimming. When the market went south many left the Outer Banks to peddle their craft on other communities, the epitome of the carpetbagger.

    Builders/developers are in bed with the realtors and share the same perspective. Hire the cheapest labor, use the cheapest materials, and now that vacant lot with all the live oaks where the kids played before 2005 is now either a foreclosure or housing for undocumented laborers or miscreants recruited from WV or KY to work at the beach for $8/hr.

    These two groups need the tourism because the rentals fuel their existence. “Rental projections”, “Investment property”. “Huge potential” are all things you read in the listings. Come on down and own a piece of the dream. They are still selling a romantic notion of a place long since changed. Thank them for the overpopulation, resultant traffic, loss of open space, and influx of people who have little interest in being part of a community.

    In the 70′s the typical rental house had 4 bedrooms/2 baths and a modest kitchen. Restaurants and local busineses were thriving. Not now with the 8-12 bedroom mini hotels.

    In the 80′s the over development concern was whether or not we had the infrastructure that could handle the uncontrolled developing at the time. Demographers called it “carrying capacity” and these fragile barrier islands have limits. Now it’s just plain ole overpopulation.

    Its simple economics. If we stop building we lessen the supply of rental homes. If supply goes down, demand goes up. If demand goes up, prices go up. If prices go up, and there’s a fat toll for non-residents at the bridge, there goes the audience for “hip-hop” night at The Pit. Vote these current pro business folks out and bring back a community first perspective. Yes everything will be more expensive but such is the price for a good community and having some peace of mind.

    (Written by a pro-tax/pro-regulation democrat who lays this “bigger picture” problem at the feet of my growth-at-all costs, jobs before community, and myopic republican friends. )

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 10:50 am

  • NH Citizen says:

    I have read comments on this site as well as heard from many people that Britt is handcuffing his own officers in regards to taking the problem with the gangs head on.

    Many people including his own officers are saying that everyone walks on egg shells, afraid of being fired for anything.

    Once we come up with solution to combat the gang problem, we will need law enforcement to carry out that plan. As long as the officers are afraid to do their job, we will never get rid of the problem.

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 11:10 am

  • Barking Dog says:

    You think KDH police department has problems? How about Nags Head Police Department? They spend day after day spying on the lady on oceanfront with dogs! What a pitiful waste of our tax dollars! Neither our police or 911 operators are acting professional because they are not trained. The gangs are here because they can be and our police are not doing nothing about it! Have you heard any of the candidates speak about how they will solve the gang problem? No! How come that expensive 911 system that we are all charged monthly for in taxes on our telephone/cellphone bills couldn’t identify the location of the caller. I thought that was the purpose.

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  • RAP MAN says:

    What laws state that being a member of a gang is illegal?

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  • Steve says:

    There are a lot of complex solutions as what to do about the crowds that our local establishments are attracting with hip hop nights. I say they should simply not have those events anymore. Problem solved! If these businesses continue to host these events that continue to produce violence with imported thugs, then Alcohol Law Enforcement or the ABC Board should yank their alcohol permits. Try to draw a crowd down here without alcohol. Or the towns can go after the bars under the Nuisance Abatement law, which means the town can take the property from the owners through a court order.

  • on October 13, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  • KH local as well says:

    kh local you don’t have a clue. It was like that back in the day, but the local guys weren’t involved in organized crime. Since about five years ago, the whole beach dynamic has changed and no body could place their finger on what happened. Then Doug Doughtie and Duck PD found some people that were inside a house that was broken into. The person of which was related to one of the most dangerous gang members in E-city. Two years ago an officer that transferred from E-city confirmed the fact that the E-city gang members were actually living here. They had been told before that they were here, but they buried their heads in the sand. From then on more and more keep moving here, the drug money is too good and the houses are full of riches. Our drug culture feeds this. Until we get a handle on it, we are going to have to learn to live with it. You need further proof, go talk to the people who live on W Wilkinson St in KDH, or the folks on harborview dr in colington. Both of which lived in fear for a year until the police ran the gang members off.

  • on October 14, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  • Selena K says:

    It might not be just urban legend that the music industry pushed rap and hip hop music to glorify crime, the drug trade and violence in order for privately-owned prisons and their accompanying industrial complex to flourish…

    Now it has completely caught on as a part of our culture and is deeply-rooted with white, middle-class, educated young people…who are the biggest drug buyers/consumers in our country.

    I admit–I’m a middle-aged white woman and I love Beastie Boys, N.W.A., and all the “old-school” stuff. Lord knows it has come a looonnnggg way since the late 80′s, though! Today’s crap makes entertainingly creative older acts like Public Enemy sound like the friggin’ Mouseketeers.

    Bottom line is that Americans glorify violence in all realms of our culture. Today IS football Sunday, isn’t it?

  • on October 14, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  • Andy sCOGGINS says:

    I took soooo much heat on facebbok earlier this year about this. Back in the day when I worked at Kellys there was a list of folks from Wanchese that were banned, then a few locals of various races. Now look……check out andyscoggins1975@facebook.com back in April, May when the other two big brawls broke out. I said it them and I say it again. Am I to blame for pointing out one race is doing this? What about when it was whites doing it? Was that racism. Doormen need that good old school ALE used to give. Raodblocks in Currituck…pat downs on empty, cops in bathrooms, and cops on the salaries of these bars….not checking ID’s outside but sticking their nose in places where the crimes happen in dark corners, in bathrooms, and outside in or near cars is the remedy. To think, we made a stink for ALE shutting down a couple of DJ “unity” events. That was black DJ’s trying to gain credibility by having white DJ’s along side. Get umm ALE..THE OBX NEEDS NO MORE BS……GET IT DONE, OR ONE DAY YOU WILL BE SITTING IN A LOBBY AD BECOME AN INNOCENT VICTUM. POLICE….PROPS. IDEA, OUT OF TOWN ID THATS CLOSE TO THE OBX MEANS NO ADMISSION. CIRCULATE A LIST, OWNERS STICK TO IT AND DRIVE THEM AWAY. YOU KNOW WHAT….IT IS THAT SIMPLE! fROM…..THE oRIGINAL dj ANDY

  • on October 14, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  • fishthis says:

    @saggypants your unAmerican!

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  • George S. Tidwell says:

    You people are scary. Dress codes, government taking over private property, discrimination of who gets to patronize a night club based on race. Really?

    This wasn’t gang related. It was a fight between two guys. Two. Over a girl. One girl.

    And the ambulance incident. OPEN THE DOOR! Here was a couple of guys trying to save their buddy’s life. They were panicking. They are driving down the road looking for help in a strange place and see an ambulance as it is pulling out into the highway. They stop it. HELP US, PLEASE! But they don’t. The two EMT’s do not assess the situation correctly. They erroneously think they are being attacked. That guy could have died right there as the EMT’s called for backup. How frustrating would that be to see someone that could help their dying buddy and they don’t even open the door. “Oh no, we are being attacked by 3 non-Caucasians. We are going to die”. OPEN THE DOOR! Perhaps we should not have two women in an ambulance when responding to an accident/incident. Geez.

    This was a simple love triangle gone wrong and you guys think the whole community is going to hell. Really?

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 10:15 am

  • sha sha says:

    Could we please put our heads together and try to get the officials control this mess?!?!? someone please organize a group to start demanding that this BS be controlled!!!!!!
    I’ll do what I can to drum up support!!! anyone else out there????

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 10:48 am

  • Rusty says:

    RE: George S. Tidwell

    You throw a lot of accusations in this situation from an arm chair/Monday morning quarterback point of view. Unless and until you are in that ambulance and you are one of the individuals assessing the situation as it unfolds… you certainly are not in a position to judge their actions.

    EMT’s are not law enforcement officers; they do not carry weapons for protection. Facing an encounter of someone blocking an emergency vehicle with a civilian vehicle is suspect behavior at a minimum (and in all likelihood against the law), those from the blocking vehicle beating on the ambulance while yelling and cussing would make most people apprehensive (regardless of race)… not to mention they (the EMT’s) had obviously been dispatched on a call (whether it was for this stabbing victim or not is immaterial). The EMT’s did not know the intentions of these individuals, I believe they did the correct and prudent thing, they called for assistance.

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  • George S. Tidwell says:

    @ Rusty:

    I am just pointing out that this was not a “gang” related matter and our community is not going to hell because of this incident. It was a very simple matter. A love triangle gone wrong and an unfortunate misunderstanding concerning the ambulance. Of course the EMT’s did the correct and prudent thing. But is wasn’t because three black gang members from ECity were terrorizing our streets. They were trying to help their buddy who they thought was dying.

    This “Chicken Little” mentality from this incident has me very worried about my fellow citizens. Gather the facts first! Then, react.

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

  • kdh resident says:

    George S. Tidwell,
    You have no idea what happened Oct. 6th at the Pit. I can only wonder what your agenda could be here. You forgot to mention in your little facts list the over 50 validated gang members present and involved, the vehicles the windows were busted out of, the beer bottles thrown, the hundreds of assaults that occurred against cops employees and others involved in the fighting.

    George,
    Validated gang member does not mean they are black, nor is it based on their attire, and certianly not a guess by a local cop or civilian. Gang members are validated by the prison systems, gang investigators, and their validation certianly can not be recanted by a monday morning quarter back who has no idea what he is talking about.

    Good luck with whatever your agenda is however, you have failed miserably with it here. There are too many civilian and professional witnesses to this incident (involved and uninvolved), too much video from several businesses for your lies.

  • on October 15, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  • Just saying says:

    “You forgot to mention in your little facts list the over 50 validated gang members present and involved, the vehicles the windows were busted out of, the beer bottles thrown, the hundreds of assaults that occurred against cops employees and others involved in the fighting.”

    This does sound very dangerous!

    How many people were arrested?

  • on October 16, 2012 @ 8:58 am

  • NewBe says:

    This will turn into a gangs area,sooner than later. If nothing is done about it. I recently moved down here, yes a northerner. Coming from a nicely sized metropolis, I can tell you, the “DRUG” gangs are coming. Back in the day everyone had rivalry with the closer towns, cities etc. That was totally different, back then it was about whoese town was better then the others.

    I have teenagers, I also work along side teenagers who love to brag about things. (good/bad) This needs to be adressed quickly, before all of our children are hooked on some drug. This beach is small and there isnt alot of things to do, so drugs makes life fun.

    I will offer my time to any organazation who is educated on what is the best way to help this growing problem. I dont believe that an uneducated person should make any opinions of the matter. We need someone who knows how to handle this situation. I dont go to the butcher for a hair cut.

    Soooo, if you truely have a plan that works Im all in. Its not going to be as simple as “no baggies allowed”

  • on October 16, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  • NewBe says:

    sorry about the horrible grammer and spelling..

  • on October 16, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  • one suggestion says:

    Here is a plan NewBe…..If a bar continues to use the particular DJ that brings in our out of town guests then law enforcement should count the number of people inside. If there is 1 single person over the limit, arrest the owner/managers/ bouncers. No warnings or tickets. Take them straight to jail and shut the place down for the night.

    Bar owners can choose to not let these people inside their establishment. Simply card everyone and not allow anyone from outside of Dare County. They can refuse service to anyone for any reason.

  • on October 16, 2012 @ 4:29 pm

  • George S. Tidwell says:

    @ one suggestion:

    When is an occupancy violation a criminal offense? Now you want to take away a person’s freedom for a building code violation? That is scary stuff.

    And what is with all this: “out of town guest”, “these people”, “anyone outside of Dare County”.

    Where did this “one suggestion” come from? Adolf Eichmann? He had a plan for “outsiders”.

    Whatever plan is implemented, make sure it is fair, civil, respectful, moral, and legal. Yeah, you want to nip things in the bud BEFORE they get out of hand, but it is a slippery slope once you start off on the wrong foot…

  • on October 17, 2012 @ 1:21 pm

  • OBX Friend says:

    The same thing happened to a restaurant/club in Raleigh that eventually was closed down in 2006 (see link to story below). The types of crime that took place overshadowed great reviews for the restaurant. Adjoining neighbors got vocal and visible (which means holding city officials accountable so residents are not prisoners in their own homes). The city of Raleigh finally revoked the entertainment permit and closed down a public nuisance, much to the relief of neighboring homes and businesses. Start a petition, go to council meetings, see how much it actually costs in tax dollars for police and EMS to respond to these problems and hold the business owner’s feet to the fire. Make sure visitors know to avoid this business and why. When the profit margin of these events disappears because of the headache and the cost, the problem will disappear too.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=4702755

  • on October 17, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

  • one suggestion says:

    George S Tidwell said…”Whatever plan is implemented, make sure it is fair, civil, respectful, moral, and legal”.

    yeah because fighting, drug dealing and stabbing people is fair, civil, respectful and moral!……Right

    If they don’t have a Dare County address then kick them out. It is perfectly within the right of a restaurant owner to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If those people do not have a place to go in Dare County, then maybe they will stay in their own county. I don’t go to their county and stab people.

    And while we are on the subject, if local law enforcement is aware of drug dealers or gang member’s residence in Dare County then I would chip in for overtime to have them sit in front of the house 24/7.

    It is kind of hard to deal drugs with a police officer in the front yard. If they can sit on the bypass, they can sit in front of a gang member’s house.

  • on October 17, 2012 @ 8:33 pm

  • Jon says:

    It is not “perfectly within the right of a restaurant owner to refuse service to anyone for any reason.” You might read up on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    However, that doesn’t mean that the owner is required to host gang violence night.

  • on October 17, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  • one suggestion says:

    @ Jon…

    I’m pretty sure that being a gang member is not a protected class under the civil rights act of 1964…..however, as a business owner, If I had two choices between….

    1. Fights, stabbings, drug deals, police officers and EMTs getting hurt in my establishment and getting a bad reputation in the community.

    OR

    2. Getting a complaint from a drug dealing gang member……..I think I will take my chances with #2.

  • on October 17, 2012 @ 10:28 pm

  • Just saying says:

    “One Suggestion” should put his / her real name on this message board so I can put it down as a write in Vote in November.

    You would have my vote!

  • on October 18, 2012 @ 8:05 am

  • Jon says:

    And how will you identify the gang members? Will you card all black people to check their addresses? Make ‘em roll up their sleeves to look for tattoos?

    Like I said, you don’t have to host events that are likely to attract gang members. Go much beyond that and you may run afoul of the law. Restaurants still do get sued for that, and they lose. Try searching “Denny’s discrimination” on Google. They hard to learn the hard way.

    There’s this lunch counter at Woolworth’s in Greensboro you might want to try sometime . . .

  • on October 18, 2012 @ 11:20 am

  • Old KH Lady says:

    If we don’t have gangs in the area, why are the police giving talks about it to senior citizens? If the local police say they recognized some faces as being those if known gang members, where did they know them from if not here? Hoping and wishing it didn’t exist, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. We need to go to every public hearing we can and ask thoughtful questions and not just “pi

  • on October 18, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  • Old KH Lady says:

    .. And not “pipe down”. How can we, as a community, aid in making the outer banks a place criminals do not feel comfortable visiting? Race, socio-economics, clothes, music don’t matter. It’s how do we insulate our lifestyle from criminal behavior? Just my humble opinion.

  • on October 18, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

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