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Man stabbed, EMS crew confronted in KDH
A man was stabbed early Sunday, and several people reportedly had an altercation with a Dare County EMS ambulance crew, after a fight at a Kill Devil Hill nightclub where police say known gang members were present.
Conflicting accounts surfaced following the incident that reportedly occurred at The Pit and Boardriders Grill on S. Croatan Highway.
Police Chief Gary Britt said between 200 and 250 people were attending a birthday party at the club, where a fight was reported around 12:30 a.m. Sunday.
“Some known gang members were identified by law enforcement as being present during the party,” Britt said in an email to The Voice.
“At approximately 12:35 a.m., Emergency Services Medic 41 reported that a vehicle arrived at their department, and four black males exited the vehicle and stated that a passenger that was in the vehicle had been stabbed,” Britt said.
The stabbing victim was left for treatment of a stab wound to the chest, and the occupants of the vehicle then fled without giving any additional information, according to Britt.
“The victim refused to cooperate with the Police Department on the night of the incident and therefore we have not determined the exact crime scene,” Britt said. “Arrests are pending as the investigation continues.”
The stabbing victim was transported to Outer Banks Hospital, and then transferred to Norfolk Sentara General Hospital, where he was listed in stable condition, according to Britt.
Anyone with information about the incident is asked to contact Det. Kevin Davey at the Kill Devil Hills Police Department at 252-449-5337.
“I want to thank many of the law enforcement agencies in Dare County for their mutual aid assistance in gaining control of the situation,” Britt said.
Information from multiple sources says there was a confrontation between several individuals and a Dare County ambulance outside The Pit at some point after the initial report of a fight taking place.
As the ambulance was turning into the parking lot, an SUV stopped in front of the unit, four people jumped out and started pounding on the ambulance windows.
The ambulance was manned by two females, who put out a call for help on their radio. A nearby Dare EMS supervisor responded, and dispersed the group.
At the Dare County Commissioners Candidate Debate hosted by The Voice and Max Radio of the Carolina’s on Monday night, a question was posed about Sunday’s incident, and two others that have been termed “gang-related” and occurred earlier this year.
Commission chairman Warren Judge described the situation involving the ambulance Sunday morning as “frightful”.
During a League of Women Voters forum on gang activity at the Kill Devil Hills Town Hall, a police officer acknowledged a significant encounter occurred in recent weeks between a large crowd of reputed gang members and law enforcement at the 7-11 in Kill Devil Hills.
No press releases were issued by police about the two prior incidents.
In his remarks, Judge acknowledged the frustration of the media in gaining information about these incidents, but also stated that “there was a time and place” for such information to be revealed.
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OBXER says:
We have got to shut this down before it gets started
Dare Citizen says:
So, I can find out more about what is happening in the county on a gossip site than I can from those who serve and protect?
Mr. Judge, when do feel the time is right to let the community know what is happening?
KHer says:
If we know who the gang members are, as indicated by the story, why are they not already locked up?
These clubs that entice such clientele, ie. The Pitt, Kelly’s, Mama Kwans, etc. are doing no service to the Outer Banks community, and ultimately spelling their own doom as law abiding customers take their business elsewhere.
A party of 200 can easily turn into a mob that a handful of LE officers cannot handle. Fortunately the carnage was limited to one stabbing. And even more, that our EMS crews were not harmed.
If we don’t seriously take out the drug dealers this kind of incident will only be repeated more often. This was not the first event like this in 2012.
Questions??? says:
didnt I see a fire truck there to??
SurfFish says:
I think its time to move back to WV.
Concerned Mom says:
How can we unite as a community and keep out an eye if we are not given the details. Unless we know what is going on, as a community, we cannot help stop the crimd.
Instead of busting those kids out there for driving after 9pm, the police should be actively searching for gang members, they know the places to look!
Liz Turner says:
I would not critize OBX Voice as a Gossip sight. I have lived here since 1986 and it is the best sorce of news the OBX has ever had!
I do agree we need to shut this down….the problem is much bigger than most know and it won’t be too long before it really starts to effect our children.
formerobxer says:
They get locked up all the time… Then they get bailed out!!
Involved in KDH says:
This is why it is nice to be able to go out and enjoy dinner and a few drinks and then be home in bed by 12am.
TC says:
Thanks to the voice for reporting what you know. I’m still amazed that our local leaders try to sweep anything bad that happens here under a rug for perceptions sake. People need to know and the time and place to inform the public is ASAP.
Disgusted says:
So. let me get this straight, cause they are black they are gang members?
Shake my head at this backward place.
BigDawg says:
OBX is looking less and less like the place I want to retire to after all. Yep, SurfFish, WV it is.
Selena K says:
Okey Dokey, then.
Selena K says:
“Time and place” my butt! When will that be, pray tell? We citizens need to know this stuff NOW.
Inexcusable. I stopped receiving The Coastland Times for this very reason–there is no real news to be obtained.
The ambulance should have run over those damn punks. ZERO TOLERANCE for gang-related anything.
formerobxer says:
A lot of the kids that are out past 9 are robbing vehicles! The police are doing everything they can to clean up the town in more ways than one! Let’s work with the police, not against them!!!
Thank you Obx voice for making more people aware of the gang situation!
Angry says:
Why is nothing being done about these business that habitually have problems with fights. Like it or not, certain bars on the beach are hosting events that draw a certain population. Hey Russ, I have an idea, how about requesting law enforcement call histories from the bars that predominantly host late night events that cater to these problems. You and the public will be suprised at how many of those calls are for fights in progress. These business that host alcohol fueled evenings are putting our community at risk by allowing the fights and putting numerous drunk drivers on our highways.
Why haven’t any of these businesses ever lost their ABC permits? Anyone have a clue?
joe says:
And yet the Pit boasts about its above and beyond level of security and wants us to send our teenagers there to be in a safe environment.Does the pits occupancy permit allow for 250 people. They sure don’t have parking for that many.
formerobxer says:
@disgusted
“Some known gang members were identified by law enforcement as being present during the party,” Britt said in an email to The Voice.
I don’t remember reading anything about these gang members being black, it seems you have assumed that! There are some that are white too, if that makes you feel better.
obxer says:
THis is very disturbing. We need to know how to prepare for situations such as this and how to protect ourselves if an incident like this occurs in a public place or our homes.
Ray Midgett says:
Sooner or later OBX residents have learned to realize one thing and that is the Coastland Times, the oldest newspaper in the county isn’t interested in reporting these type events because its advertisers, the tourist industry, isn’t interested in the local public or, more importantly, our visitors knowing what kind of place we are becoming. It’s the old adage, “stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist”. Some things never change. Let’s hope the Voice, as its advertising lists grows, doesn’t fall into the same hole.
local says:
Does Judges “Time and Place” mean when tourism dollars will not be affected?
I believe that the year round citizens who live here should come first over the tourists, for once and for all.
If you do not take care of the locals you will not have a tourist industry.
You know who says:
Well there you go
kenny says:
“Disgusted” Reality sucks doesn’t it! 1+1=2 They’re black, plus, there are lots of them committing crimes, = gang
Keep shaking your head and maybe one day common sense will enter your brain!
It Figures says:
Selena, the Coastland Times does have its uses….how else do you paper train puppies?!
Local says:
Come on people…. OBX was fine until so many folks moved here and tried to change things. If it was so great where you “came from” then you probably should have stayed there instead of trying to change the OBX to suit you. No one said that they were gang members because they were black. They just happened to be black gang members. Bad people come in all shapes, sizes, colors and genders. Instead of placing the blame, we just need to come together as a community as we have in the past and put an end to it. It can be done but we have to do it together. There have been several seminars offered by the towns for gang related information. I have not attended one before but am considering it now. Perhaps we all should.
Dare Citizen says:
Liz Turner-Sorry, was not referring to the Voice as a gossip site. I saw the story on another site yesterday and the forum for it was ” I heard there was a stabbing” and a bunch of back and forth over whether it was true or not.
My main concern is that I’m hearing, or reading it, before ANY official source.
Black Beetle says:
Typical OBX….Report what you want when you want. So many things go unheard or reported…Glad I moved to the mainland.
obxsurfer says:
I know Ben and Steve of The Pit very well, security usually does a good job in that place, I use to be a bouncer at Kelly’s at one time, and being without knives we take a risk at braking up situations like that, if someone brings out a knife, we gotta be careful we are not a part of those victims. Or the place turns into a massacre scene. It is just bunch of these inner-city hood rats bringing that hood s**t to our peace loving Outer Banks, take that crap back across the state line and KEEP IT THERE!!!
Dougstermd says:
Really KHer I don’t see mama Kwans as a restruant that attracts huge crowds? I have enjoyed dinner there many times with my wife. Kellys is a larger nite club and I have been there several times also.
We need to come together as a community to ensure we have the best community to raise our children. It’s not only this community its all communities that have these issues. Let’s not through the business owners under the bus for the actions of a few outlaws.
oldkdhlady says:
We have as citizens placed calls about drug dealing in back parking lots of restaurants and stores,we have called about homes with gangs and drugs in them and guess what there is still drug dealing in the same places and gang members in the same houses, who do we have to contact to get something done?
obxtec says:
if you want to know who the gang members are ask your kids
its no secret that half of the younger
generation acts like wanna be gangsters
flashing hand signals and gang signs they have
no clue of what they mean mine included
dont expect the cops to do anything but hide
in the dark and wait for a car to drive down the road after the street
lights come on.
the pit is exactly that if you go there
your asking for trouble as well as any where
that caters to that croud kellys brew station luckys
they all have nites that bring them out
be aware!
kdh resident says:
Dear Disgusted, You assumed they were black….interesting position you take. Now we are shaking our heads at you, you are ignorant. The validated gang memebers here are white, black and hispanic. I have lived here my entire life. 15 or 20 years ago Elizabeth City was a nice place with NO gang problems. Many of us used to go there and enjoy the night clubs and have fun. Elizabeth City has no control over their gang problem these days. This is what is happening here now.
They are not gang members because they are black. The validation process requires proof in several different areas before a member is validated. Once validated they are entered into a national data base.
The police chief never said all 200 people were gang members, he said known gang members were in the crowd. So if you had 50 gang members and 100 associates of those gang members, all of which were involved in a fight, mob/fight, whatever happened then you have a gang problem.
So stop lashing out at this media site and the local police because they make you aware of validated gang members being in your community and commiting crimes. If you dont beleive what is going on contact Norfolk PD, Raleigh PD, NYPD, Elizabeth City PD and the host of other agencies that validated the gang members that are here now and ask them why they think they are gang members.
david craft says:
This is what happens when you “turn the other cheek.” If the police or private groups would crack a few heads the criminals might just find another town to be in….Waiting around for them to do something to hurt others is just stupid and the result of liberals being in control..
beach goer says:
To bad the paper didn’t report the Captain of the fire truck didn’t stop to help the two female rescue worker when they were calling for help. Was there a fire at the fight???
Pete says:
Maybe our new KDH Mayor will stop trying to keep home improvement centers away from her front lawn and focus on some more important issues….
teedoff says:
Zero tolerance. What has judge got to do with the law anyway? He needs to get things done for the county.what a jerk!!
obxlocal says:
This story is very misleading. The SUV people had a wounded person and didn’t know where the hospital was. They were trying to get help for their wounded. Not trying to attack the EMS. That is what I heard. Please print a correction to this story.
JW says:
The 2 co-owners of The Pit are 2 of the most community involved business owners on the OBX and want to be a part of the solution more than anyone.
Sam Walker says:
The information contained in the story is what we have been able to verify with police and our sources. There is other information circulating about the incident that we have not been able to independently verify. We are following up on the story, and will post any additional information we are able to confirm. Thanks for your comments.
obxlocal says:
To the post referring to Mama kwans as an establishment who allows gang activity: this is false. As soon as a less than desirable crowd began showing up at Mama Kwans the owners quickly put an end to it by enforcing stricter rules and asked KDH police officers to patrol the parking lots. Since these steps have been taken little to no gang activity has been reported.
C Midgett says:
It’s no surprise that the gangs have trickled in from E city & the larger cities.. They are attracted to the area because it is small & easily infiltrated. Now.. Next question.. What the **** do you do about it???? Personally, I’d prefer they rot in a prison somewhere.. Just sayin. But they will continue the carnage on our dime &@ our families expense until something drastic,aka ZERO tolerance, is placed. But now since we are under this new idea of we must tolerate the intolerable, aka ‘liberal’ the rest of is just gotta suck it up & deal with it.. The thugs are in OBX to stay.. Just my prediction.. Sad
comfortablybum says:
I have been to all the establishments denigrated in these comments. I have been there drinking and late into the night. I have only seen a handful of fights, and most of them broken up quickly by bouncers or police. Don’t let a few isolated instances of a couple fools acting stupid ruin your perspective.
I too heard the racial dog whistle. Which sounds like more of a likely story. That an SUV of angry black men would attack an ambulance or that some people would try to stop it to get assistance for their friend who had been stabbed?
As for verifying stories from the police, is that really independently verifying? I’m not a journalist but I know police are allowed to lie to people they are interrogating, and they can release misinformation to the media. I’m not saying that happen in this case, but I have seen plenty of incidents where the polices idea of what happen and what really happen being wholly different things.
I was at the brew station a couple years ago when someone got stabbed. Was it because there were a lot of people there from Columbia or Elizabeth City? It probably had more to do with the fact that it was ladies night and the men outnumbered the women by 3 to 1. That’s what most fights I have seen have been about. You would do better banning women from bars than alcohol. Good luck with that.
As for people saying these places don’t add to the community, they couldn’t be more wrong. The local bar scene is the social club of that generation. Not everyone is cut out for a church or Rotary club.
Mark Williamson says:
I thought that by keeping out the tattoo parlors and the naked dancing, that the chamber had kept this a “family” beach. The reason gangs want to move in is that there are plenty of people with plenty of money willing to do business with them, drugs, prostitution, the whole seedy underbelly of society thing. Don”t forget the Russian/eastern bloc mob has been seen in the area, as well as Mexican gangs in Manteo. I don’t know what we can do, I guess we can give them DUI’s until they leave, we give out alot of those!
junkman says:
The police will only tell you want they want you to know in order to protect themselves. Its not about freedom on information here, and Gary Britt’s history with truthiness is well documented. So, do a better job researching the facts and dig deeper with your sources. If the Voice wants to become a respected news source, get to the bottom of stories like these.
fd says:
To Dare Citizen. The time will be right when they start gathering outside his place of bussiness.
Sam Walker says:
A quick aside: I normally avoid commenting here as a personal policy, and because of the time it takes out of working on collecting stories for air and publication.
Please understand that “independent verification” can come from any number of sources. We practice due diligence in making sure we get the information to our readers in a timely and, we hope, correct manner, and at the same time protecting our sources so we can call on them as needed to make sure we have as accurate information as possible that we can then pass on to you, the reader/listener.
We have provided the information as best we can, and will follow up with any new details we develop. Thanks for the comments.
ObxCollegeStudent says:
It’s sad that this kind of population is coming to the beach. It worrys me not only from the gang violence, but also all of the recent break ins that are happening. One happened on Burns which is just down the street from my home. You used to be able to walk around and let your kids run around in the yard. Now that’s practically impossible
Dare county needs to get it together, and stop worrying about try to buy the old amusement park. Educate the community. Stop sweeping it under the rug like someone said in a previous post. Get the drugs out of here, get the gangs out, stop break-ins. It’s out of hand. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how to solve it. DO IT DARE COUNTY!
OBX says:
There is far more to the story regarding the EMS crew danger. The “facts” presented thus far are not accurate. Sam Walker, dig deeper on that and you will be dismayed at what you learn really happened. You will also find the KDH crew did indeed come to the aid of the EMS crew, which was not at the Pit yet and were instead accosted on the way. If you request the radio traffic tapes you will here the EMS crew plead for Police assistance immediately only to be told there were no free officers to send to them. This is easily verified by obtaining the radio traffic tapes.
HaveLovedNCOBX4EVER says:
I wonder what would happen if Dare County became a “dry county”…would that hinder the outside influences that threaten the county and the youth/community that live there?
Simple Jenny says:
In my travels along the coast of south eastern United States, I can tell you that the OBX community does not want “to go there” ie, down the path of ever increasing crime, borderline gang, gang, whatever you want to label it. People will stop visiting, property values will plummet and the area could very quickly go the way of other less desirable beach cities. For a view of the not too distant future, simply go to the Ft Lauderdale, Fl daily newspaper, The Sun Sentinel. I realize the two are vastly different, but take heed if you don’t want the Voice headlines to begin with “pice are investigating”, or “‘murder suspect receives light sentence” or “pedestrian killed by hit and run driver”. Ring true? The time for action is NOW! As an earlier poster wrote, only the community as a whole can force change. Your voice is your vote! The OBX is vulnerable to outside forces of dangerous elements. Let’s face it, we all moved here to get away from something or somebody. They are basically doing the same. Make it known they are not welcome!
lady biker says:
i’d like to ask mr. judge, when is the time and place to let the public know about this kind of stuff happening in our neighborhood?
obxbear says:
ya’ll do realize that the owner of the Pit, sits on the school board and other positions in the county, same as the owners of mama kwana’s and kelly’s and port’o call.why do they still have abc licenses? because , its all about the money, and the pockets its put into!!!!!
stuckinthemiddle says:
I live directly behind The Pit and see the favoritism toward that establishment. Since the owner is now on one of the town boards nothing is ever done about that place. The police department will ride by and see groups of people outside and not even stop. I called about the noise at 1:30 am and the cop pulled in, got out of his car, and joined the group. Go figure! Public urination, cursing, drunks, and squealing tires are the standard. It will never change because the owner is a board member and knows people in high places. I’m all for someone being able to make a living, but I’m also for being able to get a night’s sleep. It’s also pretty sad for someone to pay for a rental cottage and get the kind of garbage that comes from that place. And yes, there are lots of gang members that come from Elizabeth City. Oh, and I don’t bother to call the police anymore because the staff at The Pit has a scanner app on their cell phones and warn everyone as soon as a call goes in.
Jayboo says:
Sounds like the OBX communities have a “good ole boy” network just like every other community in America. The news media just does a good job of maintaining the “perfect paradise” image…for now.
Mr Nice Guy says:
I have only lived here for seven years and its changing for the worse. The dark under belly needs to be exposed but the few good ole boys who make money by making sure plenty of booze is served to these bums will do everything to keep things quiet. The police will pull Moms and high school students over all day but let drunks and gang bangers have at it.
wow says:
Voice did yall get any info from the bouncers that were working that night as they were on scene before the police and have a better idea of what happend and how it all started I would think..
LawLady Va says:
I live in Va and I work in law enforcement. I am also a memeber of a gang task force and I am here to tell you that it is no SMALL problem. If you allow a gang to get a foot hold in your beautiful island then your tourism will drop like a hot potato and your school children will be at risk. You can not allow people to congragate in large groups or you are asking for trouble. I don’t care if you do own the establishment, make them leave and get and keep law enforcement apprised of anything going on. If you don’t have camera’s, get them. You will all have to fight as a community to rid yourself of gangs and drugs or your island will be taken over by the gangsters and drug dealers and then that’s all that will be there, the visitors will move to another place. I and my family love it at the OBX and come down at least four times a year, I have to deal with that where I live and I don’t want to vacation in it, nor purchase a retirement home as we’re looking into. If you don’t know how to combat the problem, then seek and hire someone who does, don’t wait to late-we did.
Transplant from WI says:
Really!! A time and a place for the information to be revealed. The time and place is now. We (the locals) need to know what is going on. it is called the first admendment. I forgot that does not include Dare County. Keep up the good work, O. B. Voice.
Dare county family says:
I want to thank the voice. You guys are the only way I find out any of the real news in the county. I am so sad that no one in charge of this county cares about the locals. They have proven that on many occasions. From the fact that they hide what is going on here to what they did to the Ems workers. Why are they not in there helping out the small businesses? We just lost our bowling ally. Housing costs are so high that alot of locals can’t afford a house. And grocerys don’t get me started. People with out locals you don’t have tourists. Take care of the locals.
Native, not just local says:
Welcome to Dare County everyone. It is now what you people have always wanted it to be. We as residents of dare county used to have a secret little bit of paradise here until the thought of profits ruined this place forever. As stated in a previous comment, I also believe that people move here because they love it but then bring “their” way with them and expect for us to change and cater to them simply because they came here. These same people that move down here and now live here and call themselves “Local”, have brought their ways and mentality with them and that influence is carried over in their votes for our elected officials, ultimately resulting in who runs our county. The bottom line is, ITS NOW ALL ABOUT PROFITS AROUND HERE AND MAKING THAT DOLLAR. REGARDLESS OF THE EFFECTS ON OUR COMMUNITY!! People have ruined this place all for the sake of their own greedy wants when on vacation here. Thanks for raping our community!
DoubleT says:
You don’t have to do much more than annoy them, make them uncomfortable, keep them moving, stop them before the bridge for minor violations, etc. Worked in NYC; they moved onto Allentown and Reading PA. It takes a dedicated community effort and LEO manpower however.
RnR says:
This stuff is ridiculous! If that stupid guy who got stabbed doesnt want to cooperate with police, than his ass should sit in jail..”for his protection” until they arrest the guilty party. If no arrest, then no release. Thats the problem with this crap, he wont say anything, he will just retaliate and 10 years from now, we will be in the middle of a huge gang war and they wont even know why. Dare Co has been able to pull out little things here and there to get it done, this should be no acception…nail them all.
Sean says:
Why is everyone blaming the Pit and not the actual perpetrators and law enforcement? Do you think if the Pit closed, these people would not find another place to go? Get real. The Pit is not responsible for the actions of its patrons.
Who will you blame next? The cab driver that dropped them off?
fd says:
digusted needs to leave this backward place. go…..
jbh says:
Remember this is the same Warren Judge who handled the Irene fiasco on Hatteras Island.
Wanchezzer says:
“Dog Whistle” Code for ignorant Liberal racist diversionary tactic, preying on so called white guilt. Keep that crap up north !!
Happy Barracuda says:
It’s almost amusing observing the young, caucasian, ‘Thug Life’ Rapper wannabe’s adopt the uniform of their role models. The look of being lost, confused, and out of touch can be seen in their eyes.
I’ve never seen the HIPHOP culture really work for anyone of any race. If there are exceptions, it is not in this area.
Remember the Outer Banks is not ‘Mayberry’ anymore……
Nhead res says:
To the ignorant kdher…. Mama kwans doesNOT promote, entice, or tolerate any patrons who are gang related. We have had a healthy and fun late nite scene for 10 years with minimal problems: the recent infiltration of Elizabeth city and currituck hoods is easily traced to the hiring of dj fresh at longboards and Kelly’s. They invited this mess and our local agencies have been powerless to make arrests or deter these thugs from our beach. This summer we had 2 officers at the door along with 2 bouncers to stop the shady characters. Even changed the music on Fridays which has helped … Mama kwans is and will remain a fun and safe place for the kind of people who live here and enjoy visiting NOT for drug dealers looking to exploit a town powerless to stop them… These incidents will continue unless our police make a stand, if they can be intimidated we are hopeless…
Sitting by the sea says:
This gangs did not just get here. A friend on the local police force told me they were watching them last year. Most are from Elizabeth City. The only are the members monitored, but also the vehicles they use. Yes they keep letting them out.They had a big fight at long Boards last year. This are only going to increase with time. Part of that is because of people like Mr Judge, who want it swept under the rug. The trouble with that is as long as you keep doing that.Some one will always fall. They are here because there is money and it is a new market for their drugs. If you let your kids go to these places. Don’t be shocked when if you find them on drugs or in trouble. As for the drinking involved, a lot of these kids are not old enough to drink.The only way to stop it. Is put them away for a long time, 20 years and no parole. When people start disappearing from the neighborhood.Others will not be so eager to join them. You cannot hide this from the tourist. Sooner are later they will be victims.Then just like the poor lady in Avon. You are going to be all over the news.
ekim says:
Whose birthday party was it? and why were gang members there? Were they tied into the birthday? County and local police need to spend more time at these local establishments looking for DWIs and less time with road blocks
kidsfirst says:
Dare County Family,
You nailed it!
Katie says:
Ok, I’m at my limit. Not only is the rest of the country dividing up against races, and other ridiculous issues, we have things going on here that we don’t hear about ever. Does anyone realize the 711 incident happened early this spring…like in April/May and we are just now hearing about it. The only reason I know about it is because the same time that was going on my brother was being attacked by some drunken idiot at another convience store. Did officers show up? NO… WHY? They were all at the 711 incident. So not only do we not have enough staff on our law enforcement, but we are not being told whats going on in our community. I’ve taken measures to be ready if someone tries to get into my home…I’m sure many others have as well.
I’m with the one person who said that they are thankful to have eaten and be in bed when all this madness goes on. Maybe if local businesses knew who to look for, they could call for patrol to be on while parties like this are going on, especially if people knew who to look for.
Stop Hiding what goes on down here and let the local public know. I’d hate to see what would happen if the PUBLIC in GENERAL turned their backs totally on all government/officer officials. Get together DARE COUNTY
localguy says:
close the damn Pit down
Nathan says:
Would it be wrong of those of us who actually care about keeping our community safe so simply “report suspicious activity” every time we drive by these repeat offender establishments? The restaurants/bars mentioned above are some of my favorite on the beach, but if they are enabling this kind of thing to take place, there needs to be consequences. I would imagine they would get the point if the cops were called on a regular occasion…am I wrong?
Pat Avon says:
Thank You voice.. If not for your paper we would not know whats going on till,a month later..There is no police reports, of crime but once or twice a month.. It seems word of mouth is the only news we get..and that is not enough. The crimes are not reported..How can we protect our homes when we do not know where they are taking place? I know we only get news but 3 times a week from the other papers..but they should have a crime section.. To keep people informed.
Jason says:
Sorry guys,
Normally I’d post the radio traffic from the Dare County Online Scanner Feed, but my internet connection kicked it offline Saturday night right after I went to bed.
anonymous says:
They need to lock this beach down, while they still have a chance before it gets to out of hand. Ive seen swat teams in gilli suits raid a drug den down here before, they need to do ALOT more of that! They need a intimidating response team to any gang related activity. Im sorry but i have no patience for this kind of thing. Zero tolerance for the moron gangsters. Or locals will pay the price and im sure some will fight back. Its not going to be good any way you slice it.
G says:
The Outer Banks is looking less and less like a place where I want to spend my vacation.
The original attraction of a laid-back, simple, remote, low-key vacation spot is gone.
Traffic, crime, crowds. The appeal is fading fast.
We made some good memories over the past 25 years. My kids are grown now. We’ll probably visit less often.
Yes says:
It’s all about the hip-hop night. If you host a night based on gangsta rap, guess who will show up?
DoubleT says:
These gangs, black or otherwise, are here for a reason. Look around and be honest…even in the pretty places like Pirates Cove drugs are a problem. Nobody wants to think the beautiful Outer Banx has this dark side but IT’S HERE. And this is what draws THEM. There’s not much in the offseason for work or life, then add the poor economy and you have trouble.
Sue says:
Myrtle Beach wannabe.
joe says:
Of course Mr judge wants to keep this quiet. His family operates hotels and we must keep the visitors perception that this is a safe place for families. How many of us locals choose to live here because of the business community….i bet none. We live here because of the outdoors, sunshine and good schools. The commissioners seem to just promote business, who is for us protecting our lifestyles. Whenever I complain about the ridiculas motorcycle noise I get reminded that its good for business. That is great the few business owners get richer but the majority of us loose sleep. Take back the obx from the restuarunt association, the home builders association from and the alcoholics. Leaders of our communities get on board and start respecting the ordinary man.
joe says:
First responders other than PD should have been held in their stations until the scene was controlled. The safest place until the situation is controlled is in your station with the building secured. If the PD could not control or disperse the crowed the FD can be called in with an engine and hose down the crowed with a deck gun.
localguy says:
Yes says:
It’s all about the hip-hop night. If you host a night based on gangsta rap, guess who will show up?
It’s as simple as that. Thank you “Yes”, well put.
JimH says:
Just remember that all of this type of trouble is related to the self-imposed needs of the chamber of commerce and tourism board to get more people to vacation here.
We will continue to see growth in the number of law breakers as the growth continues. Of course we will need more police, fire, and other government services, which means higher taxes.
Keep this in mind at the elections and do whatever is necessary to vote the incumbents out even if you have to cross party lines to do so.
chaser says:
They were from Plymouth and Elizabeth City….
Chris says:
Put a toll roll at the bridge coming from everywhere….that way if the gangs have to pay we can use that money to pay for the extra police or it’ll keep them away so either way we would win.
Gene Hoglan says:
Haha, “gangs” in Dare County. That’s the funniest thing to happen since that year they added the bear to the Lost Colony. What a shock once the new sheriff comes to town all of a sudden there’s “gangs” roaming the streets. Seriously, for all you recent transplants, the old redneck Dare County was far rougher than the Disneyfied paradise this place has turned into.
@ DoubleT: drugs have been an issue here for decades; it ain’t new. Folks from Massachusetts moved to Wanchese back in the late ’80s to pick up the coke business after it dispersed up the east coast from Miami. Back in the ’90s it was easier to get coke as a student at MHS than it was to get booze or weed, and everyone knew which house on Jackson St. sold crack. Heroin too; two kids OD’ed from snorting H the same year about a decade and a half ago.
Selena K says:
@ Native:
Don’t kid yourself.
A lot of your fellow native Dare County old-money, old-influence locals began the money-grab long before some of us 20-year local residents came here.
Simply look on Roanoke Island for a lot of the original tourist-dollar originators.
Can we all work together to place the blame where it belongs–with the PERPS–and not this, that and the other kind of nit-picking bull crap???
Nhead res says:
Unfortunately rich white girls and surfer guys like hip hop just as much as black gangsters so when they ask the dj to play lil Wayne and he says no cause u don’t want that crowd everybody leaves and u have no crowd at all. Any suggestions,?
Old KH Lady says:
This is so distressing and we’ve seen this building for years and now it’s serious. A lot of things have to be done. If they are coming from outside then they are either sleeping somewhere here or leaving here drunk. If driving drunk, they need to be arrested (or pulled over) enough times to make it uncomfortable, expensive, too much of a hassle. If they are staying here, the community needs to try and make it impossible for them to stay. If you’ve got known drug dealers and gang bangers, give us names and photos. Stop letting out of town home owners rent out some of these dilapidated flop houses…they are all over the place. Condem those places. Pass laws about folks who get dropped off at hospitals and refuse to cooperate..keep them in custody until you have answers. Start checking these clubs for occupancy limits on a regular basis. Bankers used to take care of undesirables; now we just gripe about it. Start forming a group to bring changes to make them LOATH to come here and they will stop.
fishthis says:
if its a gang on the outer banks is bound to be a sad one. we’ve got tons of drugs and more crime than most people around here know but i’m skeptical about this being “gang” violence.
Ray Midgett says:
10-4, Selena K
Old KH Lady says:
After re-reading, I’d better point out that I mean totally within the boundaries of the law! LOL!
builder says:
Way to go board of education guy!!!! Yes you (owner) Running a gangland under age meat market for thugs and rif raf…..
Hoi Toid says:
Great to read all these comments. This shows that we care about what is going on in Dare on this issue. I would suggest to all that commented on this story that if there is another “meet the candidates” for Dare County Commissioner, go and ask all of the candidates running for office the same questions you posted here. According to a previous Voice post: The Dare County Commissioners Forum will be held Thursday, Oct. 18 at the Nags Head Meeting Room from 7 to 9:30 p.m. The moderator will be Pat Haresch. Candidates are: District 1, Richard Johnson vs. Alfred Jackson and write-in candidate Sandy Semans-Ross.; District 2, Robert Muller vs. Robert Woodard; District 3, Warren Judge; District 4: Allen Burrus vs. Kevin Conner. Another forum with Dare County Commissioner candidates will be held Sunday, Oct. 21. at the Avon Fire Station from 2 to 4 p.m. LWV Voter Service chair Mary Ellen Hawthorne and LWV Vice President Judy Krahenbuhl will moderate this event.
OBX Tom says:
Thank you Sam Walker for the eye opener..
Stephanie Neff says:
I have lived on the Outer Banks for 21 years, my kids were born here and have been raised here their entire life, because it was a safe community. Now I have to fear gangs, armed roberies, ramdom shootings of businesses. Is the local law enforcement ready to deal with this issue. I do not feel safe in my own home anymore, How is local law enforcement going to protect us locals who live behind jeopordized businesses
Stephanie Neff says:
The Pit needed shut down years ago, where is the the kdh POLICE. SHUT THEM DOWN AND DO A RAID
LOL... says:
We gotts keep pumping the money into Smelly Kellys, Ho-Station, Long-HOS. Them places charge a cover and check ID’s with real security Gaurds! SO that means I can get my brothers sisters cousin in when she is only 13, because she looks like she’s 16.
LtRedhead says:
I have worked in 3 different EMS systems and this is the ONLY one that has not provided me with a Kevlar vest for just this reason. I know both the women that were in that ambulance that was attacked and they didn’t know if they were going to be shot, raped, etc. Maybe Dare County needs to come up with the money to buy enough bullet-proof vests to outfit the crews that are working at each station. They wouldn’t have to buy one for each employee, just 2 of every size and that way the crews would feel safer. This type of thing doesn’t happen everyday atleast where EMS is concerned but isn’t it smarter to get ahead of the game rather than wait for something tragic to happen????
Native son says:
Remington 870,8shot mag.,double aught buck,more guns in back windows of pickups,CCW for all.This place is going deeper into the cesspool,no help from BOC,those girls just wanna have fun,(on our dime).Vote all of them out,demand attention to these issues,and give up on that liberal crap,it sounded good in 1970 but now is now.
skyrooster says:
“In his remarks, Judge acknowledged the frustration of the media in gaining information about these incidents, but also stated that “there was a time and place” for such information to be revealed.”..The time nd the place for such information to be revealed is IMMEDIATELY! We relocated from Nashville Tn a year ago due to the deplorable schools and the rapit increase of gang activity.I can assure you two things as a community. A..The gangs are here for drug sale. High dollar drug sales and B…If as a community we do not educate ourselfs on these gangs..their signs..taggings and colors as well as a ZERO TOLERANCE for such criminal activity, they will increase their activity and size very very quickly.It will take the enit=re community to use their voices..not simply a small few. Gangs will..i can promise you..they will destroy a community..town and even city swiftly. How..by recruiting our youth with the entisemnet of fast cash A sence of belonging and devotion. Wake up OBX..the war has just begun.
skyrooster says:
ps..sorry for the typos..im in a mood over this and can not believe having to face this again.
hugo says:
So the owner of the Pit is also on the School Board, as well as being head of the Restaurant Assoc. Seems to me, that he has created an untouchable persona while his ‘Place of Business”
1) Invites 14 yearolds to mingle with 18 yearolds…Teen Night is not a healthy outlet…it’s like shooting fish in a barrel for older boys to prey on younger girls. —This Guy Is On The School Board Folks!!!
2) Promotes Mug Night: Lets see how much beer I can drink for as little money as possible.
3) Never seems to address the root cause for the constant fight issues that plague his establishment, because it might negatively impact his “Trash Magnet”
Lastly:
Our Children have become poisoned through the”Ghettofication of our Culture…” Behavior is directly related to pride in ones self- not the ‘ Ignorant Material Envy’ the Hip Hop Culture has been feeding our kids for almost 20 years.
So many adults have a silly, racial guilt that eats away at logic-It has allowed Ebonics to work itself into our Lexicon, and sadly we don’t even notice…
Next time somebody says ” My Bad” you can thank a Thug!
skyrooster says:
oh and native son..your absolutely right!Remington 870 and such. Permitted to carry for sure. Biggest fear of a gang member..a bullet in their ass!
OBX says:
@Ltredhead…yeah that’s what they need! A solution to help them “feel better!” Not really make any them safer, but hey, if we can fool them into “feeling safer” while spending the least possible, we all win!
obx74 says:
Obxsurfer said they need to take the crap back across the state line,well if by some miracle users here stop using and buying maybe that would happen.Supply and demand!!!!If people have wants someones going to bring it.
I’m tired of all the hush hush around here!We bust our butts around here to insure Tourist have the best vacation experience possible but we dare not expose what happens behind the scenes in fear of losing them and because of that we have to rely on the grapevine which can sometimes be no more than gossip and rumors.Locals need factual news and have the right to know whats going on in our community.I’ll make sure for now on to make reading Obx Voice part of my daily routine.
Sean says:
@Hugo: Really? Have you ever left the county? Teen night actually keeps the kids off the streets and keeps them from getting in gangs, for lack of better activities,and is quite common across the nation. Also, mug night is nothng new. Do you honestly think if the Pit weren’t there, things like this would never happen? Reality check: The people actually committing the crimes are to blame. “Ghettofication,” Really? Hip Hop culture? Not every culture is the same as on this island!
Pit Neighbor says:
Also live right behind the Pit, and this problem has
been getting worse and worse. With out any doubt I can
tell you it is ALWAYS directly related to the format for
the evening WHICH BEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. . . .PERIOD.
I have gone to other shows there with little or no problems.
Every single time they have had a hip hop night there have
been issues. . this one being the worst yet. It was truly frightening and enraging to watch people acting like pure animals, sub-human. Even after the stabbing, they were screaming at each other, even after the police showed up.
There weren’t enough police had it turned into a full scale riot, which it almost did. I have never seen police
seem afraid for their lives like I did Saturday night!!!!
Happy Barracuda says:
The ‘Thug Life’ that HipHop noise has glorified has helped fill our nations prisons.
The 17 year-old home intruder intercepted by the ex-Marine is also a budding rapper. His rapper name is JKilla and has a website filled with his lovely noise.
Anyone see a connection?
Oh Wow says:
What’s even sadder than gang activity, violence and drug use is the complete and utter ignorance represented by many of you “upstanding” members of our precious society. Half of these comments literally made me want to vomit. Please find an educated understanding of racism and classism. Please explore your own prejudices and figure out how they manifested within your spirits. Stop judging police officers. Stop judging the EMT crew and the firetruck drivers. Stop judging the bouncers at the Pit and the employees and Kelly’s. Stop judging questionable politicians (tough one, I know.) What are YOU going to do to improve our society?
Ha says:
LOL@Gangmembers.
Just kids and young adults that have not yet learned responsibility and respect.
And if it makes you feel unsafe here in the Outer Banks, than you will never feel safe ANYWHERE!
Move to Wanchese.
It’s really safe there! (that was sarcasm, in case your slow)
jw says:
to surffish,
I moved back to WV from the outer banks and I regret it every day…..stay where you are
New to OBX says:
As a new resident here (my family is from Detroit),those of you blaming drugs as the source of the problem ignore the fact that back in the day when coca-cola was actually cocaine and alcohol abuse was just as rampant as it is today even heroin was considered a “medicine” and legal to buy ,how is it that my grandparents and great-grandparents were able to sleep at night with their doors unlocked and windows open in the city of Detroit??? The ethnic white gangs(Italian,Irish,Polish etc..) of Detroit at the time didn’t shoot each other let alone innocent kids playing in the street,were they criminals ?? Yes, but they had a “Code” somewhat like the Mafia and for the most part only preyed on each other. Even though access to FULLY AUTOMATIC machine guns at the time was LEGAL and quite easy to get with NO background checks.Since all gangs past and present are criminals the ONLY variable IS the Race of the gangs. The OBX is just now beginning to feel the effects of Diversity and Multiculturalism (2010 census said this area is 89% white,the reason I moved here)unlike the area I grew up in where we had a police officer assigned to my middle and my high school(early 1990′s)along with security guards and metal detectors because minority gangs were out of control,even had two friends murdered by them.So before I’m called an “EvilWhiteRacistThatWantsToKill6-MillionJews” I’ve experienced and lived with more Diversity from birth till I moved here than most of you life-long locals with the liberal white guilt complex will EVER KNOW.Reading and being taught by the schools and media about the “joys” of Diversity is far different than having to actually live in it.
local guy says:
Ive been here for almost 14 years now i don’t drink go to work come home the problem we have here isn’t hip hop because anyone with sense would know its entertainment the glorification of guns and drugs naked women and killing have been here long before hip hop the gang problem isn’t as serious as people think these guys that claim they are gang-bangers are imitating what they’ve seen on YouTube probably chased out of Elizabeth city Plymouth Washington. currituck doesn’t even count because i know for a fact they’re not gangsters not the generation that hangs out at the pit or where ever hip hop night is. so if i’m dressed in regular clothes and playing hip hop i’m a gang banger so if you listen to country music and drive a pickup truck your the Klan. i’m not saying we don’t have a drug problem because we do but its not the kind of drug problem people think its the pills and that my friends is the main problem the break ins are usually done by kids kids of parents some of whom who are probably on this site yelling zero tolerance all i’m saying is don’t condemn black people and hip hop as the cause for the problems here on this beach.did you know we have had a 150% increase in food stamps now i’m no mathematician but i’m pretty sure at least 98% percent of the beach is white now is that the ganbangers fault also? they’ve chased all the jobs away.we can fix the gang problem if we really had one but we don’t we have a pill epidemic that we need to focus on and its not our new sheriff fault its cvs and walgreens and these doctors at the hospital that says your in pain take these pills for 6 months and you’ll be fine we are focusing on the wrong thing lets not turn this into a black vs white thing.because the last murder we had here was white on white just saying.find the true criminal element and deter it but lets not go blaming one race as a relief valve because we are all feeling the pinch of the economy. the party was thrown by a girl that gets around and no one local was there they were from columbia plymouth and creswell from what i heard. don’t blame the pit for what happened blame the individuals involved that guy is a heck of a guy
What is our plan of action? says:
Seems to me we need to have an action plan between club owners/management and police. Why could they not call the towns police. Let’s just say KDH police, then KDH police calls the Sheriff and Kitty Hawk police and set up road blocks and pull everybody over! Start handing out tickets for anything. Let’s promote this place as a dangerous place for law breakers and gang members! Surprised none of the police were in the hospital lobby at 2am snapping pics of all the people there waiting for the kid who got stabbed. Make them feel uncomfortable here! Just happened to be in the ER when it all went down!
Old KH Lady says:
Please don’t fool yourselves. We’ve had gang problems that started years ago. Heard from what I’d consider boots-on-the-ground reliable source that it started out with some illegal gun sales and drugs. I’m not talking CVS or Walgreens drugs. Although, yes, it’s related..
We need to show up at town meetings. Stop talking about hot dog stands and start talking about how to make Dare County a place you don’t want to be breaking the law.
I love Dare County-always have and always will – warts and all but it’s up to the local citizens to stop cowering scared, making excuses for letting it continue and start asking some questions, doing some critical and logical assessments of the answers we get and taking some positive action.
Harold says:
What an unbelievable, ignorant gossip rant these comments are. They almost all literally make me sick…not that we have a drug or crime problem, because that can be solved…but because so many people that live here are willing to jump in and reveal their close-minded, nasty attitudes…about business, crime, drugs, race, class and ‘the good old days’.
Ugh.
Stephanie nEFF says:
The Pit has been a known drug site for years, I was warned when my now 22 year old daughter was a teenager to not let her go there. WHY is still in operation? We are supposed to be a safe community, but this place is still allowed to operate, because one of the School Board Member is an owner there, lets look at that. Who is representing our schools???? Time for the PIT to be shuit down for good.
obx74 says:
These groups,gangs,hip hop thugs,whatever you want to call them are not making a trip all this way just to hang out.It’s business trips.People here are buying.How do you stop that?Someone posted making it a dry county would do the trick but that will just lead to finding other ways to get wasted.It might even bring more dealers to the area.Wake up people,people here use big time,Poor middle class and the rich.Go solve it Harold and I’ll have oh wow come kiss your a@#
Stephanie Neff says:
I was a paramedic in Philadelphia, PA before I moved here. The threat of EMS officials being hurt is real. We had to call out for police before we went into injury scenes for our own protection. The EMS did the right thing to protect themselves. We have to do something in this community to protect ourselves. Great job to the EMS services that night, you did what you had to do!!! NOW the community needs to do something to protect the rest of us..
Stephanie nEFF says:
TIME FOR THE PERSON ON THE SCHOOL BOARD TO STEP DOWN, NOW!!
kdh resident says:
So if 100 to 200 of us make plans, lets say by text messaging to attend the next town meeting to voice our concerns, the town would have no idea we were coming until we showed up.
We then would have the upper hand over the lets say 8 town employees.
Ben (owner of the Pit) had no idea this was going to be a bunch of gang members and their associates meeting to raise holly hell. Ben runs a respectable business, or aleast attempts too.
This same type incident has occurred 7 or 8 times in the last 9 months, haven’t heard anyone saying close down 7-11, Kangaroo Express, W. Wilkenson St. no one is going after the owners of those businesses or homes where all the gang members were conducting their gang business, fighting etc. etc.
Its time to stop pointing fingers and come together as a community. Support our local goverment, ask them what you can do to stop these things.
The county, towns and I know Elizabeth City puts on gang presentations to educate the public on what gangs are, how to recognize them, how to report them, and most important how we as citizens can prevent them.
Fortunately for most of you these things happen late at night and none of you ever see it, you become outraged when you read about it. What will you do when they move into the house next to you lets say on 3rd St, 1st St, etc. Some of us have had to live with exactly this.
So who here would support training our local law enforcement in lets say international money laundrying. Sounds like a waste of money huh? Well guess what no one would spend the money in the years past to train our cops in gangs. I was surprised to find out they knew less than I did, and I learned it off the internet.
Unless you have the solution to this problem I suggest you join your community, local government, and cops to unite as one to defeat this problem. OR WE WILL LOSE!
Aware says:
So lets see.
Natives are complaining that people moved here and changed everything. I guess those transplants just stole the land. No. A NATIVE gladly sold it to them. Blame yourself.
Tons of people are screaming do something. Most of them rant endlessly about political junk, both local and national. Did you forget about your constitution? The criminals have just as much rights as you do.(unfortunately)
Hey.. lets just pull people over and harass them or not allow them inside because of how they dress, look or color. Ever heard of dicrimination? It makes for a great lawsuit and usually is a winner.
A lot of people are talking about what THEY would do. Ha. If 5 or 6 of these guys walked into your business you wouldn’t do a thing. Internet hereos.
People are saying get it under control now and get rid of them. Ever heard Dan Rather come on the news and say LA finally got rid of their last gang member? They have seen the light of money and are here to stay. We can only hope to keep it under control to the best of communities abilities.
Hip hop is the problem. Yeh right. So is God, Allah, politics and ignorance. They have killed or injured more people then any music.
Make Chief Brit pay. Yeh. I agree with that one. He has destroyed the powers of KDH officers. Lots of backdoor, unknown stuff going on in that department.
The comments on this board scared him nicely. He has been peronally patrolling the night club parking lots all week.
Unfortunately. His presence and the additional officers running around at night this week will be short lived. In 2 weeks when everyone has something new to talk about–it’ll be business as usual.
Funny. It wasn’t that long ago that the OBV broke the story of gangs on the OBX and everyone said they were crazy and KDH just wanted more money. Not so unreal now??
But hey. If you still don’t believe. I’ve got some land for sale at the Lost Colony with deeds in hand. Call me.
For those that say this place doesn’t look so good now and will not retire or return here. Have fun choosing from one of the thousands of beach communities or small towns in the U.S. that doesn’t have crime or drug problems.
LtRedhead says:
Excuse me OBX, I NEVER said that Kevlar vests were the SOLUTION! EMS’s job is to take care of people in their time of need, not fight crime! The EMTs and Paramedics that work in this county are NOT idiots! They recognize when law enforcement is needed and NEVER hesitate to call them! We are taught OUR SAFETY COMES FIRST from day one. Unfortunately, this time, the cops were not available. That was MY HUSBAND that responded as the EMS shift supervisor to help those two women in the ambulance that were being attacked! NOT HIS JOB, by the way! I PERSONALLY would have felt MUCH BETTER IF HE HAD HAD A BULLETPROOF VEST, JUST IN CASE! As I’m sure you probably know, gang members DO occassionally carry GUNS! So, when YOU figure out how to solve the drug/gang problem here, by all means, why don’t you teach the police since you seem to have all the answers???
Sean says:
@localguy: Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? So, now job losses are the gangs’ fault and crime is the fault of doctors and pharmacies? Have you ever been sick or in real pain? Thank goodness we finally have a hospital and specialized doctors! You obviously have no idea of what your talking about, nor does your rant make any sense.
Ever heard of a period or question mark?
LtRedhead says:
Steph Neff, I like the way you think. Atleast as a paramedic, you understand what is going on. Some of the comments on here are laughable! The mudslinging and criticism is going to solve absolutely NOTHING! If we want to preserve our happy way of life in Dare County, shouldn’t we be banding together to come up with a solution instead of playing the “blame game?”
Old KH Lady says:
Yes. We need to come together. If we don’t, then we lose. It doesn’t matter where people came from or how they got here. We are all neighbors now. If we keep jabbing each other or throw up our hands in dispair saying, “It can’t be fixed.” then we lose. We are not losers here! We face calamity and we help each other up and we come back better and stronger. If that’s “used to be” to you, it still “can be” to me.. Sorry to disappoint but OBX isn’t LA – but could look like LA if we don’t join together. ‘Nuff said from me. Thanks!
Bill Barwick says:
Glad I have a CWP….and know how yo use it !!!!
OBX says:
@Ltredhead…your comments show how misguided you are. YOU seem to be the one with all the answers. And now that we know your connection to the events it is clear why you are saying what you are. If you really think a bullet vest will protect your husband why havent you bought him one??
hugo says:
Lets not blame blacks for this problem…lets get to the real root, which is the self loathing, white, guilt laden liberals who allowed their kids to embrace the poison of HIP HOP CULTURE.
Our society has been GHETTOFIED! Our lexicon is full of Ebonics: Back in the Day and My Bad being two examples of phrases culled from ghetto culture that middle class whites use without second thought.
This is the beginning of the downward spiral for the next generations of youth.
Forget that previous generations have been bombarded with glorification’s of Sex,Money, Drugs, and Violence…The HIP HOP culture has combined all four into ONE
socially destructive stew.
The pariahs of the past( Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Punk, even Rock and Roll) never combined all the antisocial aspects together like Hip Hop Culture has.
Parents need to take a good hard look at the crumbling foundation they ignore…SOME THINGS ARE JUST NOT GOOD FOR KIDS…
This isn’t Racist or Bigoted-it’s a serious problem that we need to address.
Don’t give black pop culture a pass because of self loathing , white guilt…In the past we’ve had no problem condemning
and blaming Heavy Metal for bad behavior…but since that was a white oriented genre it was ok (even though it’s basically a harmless form of musical expression compared to the last 20 years of rap…)
Bad ideas are bad ideas…children don’t need any more help when it comes to bad influences…What they need is to understand the difference between Prejudice and Common Sense!
LtRedhead says:
You know, OBX, its people like you that are ALWAYS part of the PROBLEM rather than being part of the solution. People like you enjoy the drama and pot-stirring too much to even TRY to come up with a reasonable solution. You need to gather more info on the subject before you start telling other people what to do. If providing my husband with a Kevlar vest brings him home safe to his family, then what is YOUR problem with it???? If you had paid attention to my original comment, you would have read that THIS is the ONLY EMS system that I have ever worked for that the County didn’t provide their EMTs and Paramedics with Kevlar vests. I guess you are one of those people that would rather sit back and wait for something tragic to happen and then criticize and complain about how no one handled it the “right” way, at least from your point of view instead of trying to find some common ground and work together as a community to find a solution. You obviously have no concern for the Public Safety Departments in Dare County. My EMS career spans almost 20 years. I put on my first Kevlar vest LONG before I came to work here or met my husband. So, my position has nothing to do with only keeping my husband safer. And if push comes to shove, I have no problem buying him a vest, but that doesn’t help any of the other EMS providers, my friends, that respond to hostile calls.
Oh and THANKS ALOT for recognizing the fact that my husband is a very brave man that went above and beyond what was expected of him. I really appreciate that. Somehow I doubt you would have demonstrated the same bravery. Its easier to hide behind a post on a news site.
flo says:
wow.. I have been reading some of these posts. Is it really that bad here on the OBX? WHere have I been for 24 years?
Seriously says:
If these people are gang members, the only reason they are here is to sell drugs. They did not drive long distances or even move here because of hip-hop night at the Pit. We have a lot of drug abusers here. Why do you think there are so many break-ins, thefts, DUI’s? It’s for pills, heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.
Are people really clueless of the drug problem here? Seems so. It has been swept under the rug for a long time.
OBXER says:
Its funny how much people think they know, think they know what is best to do next, and know where this world is heading…the world is not coming to an end..this is a serious problem but no one is to blame but the gangs themselves…why do we need to place a blame…nobody wants these people here…OBX is all about being a great community , lets rise above finger pointing and the race card and lets support our cops in their new focus on gangs….lets ask what WE can do and show that WE are serious about being part of the solution
Obx home owner says:
Just blow up this place and start over again …then vote another midgette into office
luvnmyobx says:
we are on the east coast, there are kingpin cartel here, im not really stressin the “252″ gang, new year, new weapons, no worries, just stay away from the bs, hangin at the homefront is a cherished sanctuary and i freakin love it here, anywhere you go there are issues, anywhere.