Comments on: Math won’t work for current sand plans, Judge says http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/ Outer Banks news, discussion and opinion, OBX news, Duck, Southern Shores, Kitty Hawk, Kill Devil Hills, Nags Head, Manteo, Hatteras Island news. Mon, 21 May 2012 15:50:58 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Carey Kelley http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-1053 Carey Kelley Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:16:42 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-1053 Has any one that is in opposition walked the beach from NEW pier south. I have owned for 5 years in Nags Head and am appalled at the condition of this area. You should be ashamed of yourselves to let it get to this. Whenever I heard the words Outer Banks I thought immediatly of Nags Head and beaches, these aren’t beaches they are dumps. Talk about costs, how much will it cost to demo the Comfort Inn, the Yatchsman, the Whalebone motel, Owens motel, etc., and how much revenue will be lost there? I took video today and would love to see what all the folks on YouTube would think of Nags Head. I am in total disbelief that you could even consider letting this continue. This has gone on for 20 years and and no one has made a decision and the beaches of Nags Head are embarassing. I had family down and even though they stayed for free, will be going elsewhere because when they attempted to walk the beaches thru all the DEBRIS they ran into motels and ran out of beach since the ocean was all the way to the dunes. I never would have believed that an OCEAN community could allow this. Unbelievable. Has any one that is in opposition walked the beach from NEW pier south.
I have owned for 5 years in Nags Head and am appalled at the condition of this area. You should be ashamed of yourselves to let it get to this. Whenever I heard the words Outer Banks I thought immediatly of Nags Head and beaches, these aren’t beaches they are dumps. Talk about costs, how much will it cost to demo the Comfort Inn, the Yatchsman, the Whalebone motel, Owens motel, etc., and how much revenue will be lost there?
I took video today and would love to see what all the folks on YouTube would think of Nags Head. I am in total disbelief that you could even consider letting this continue.
This has gone on for 20 years and and no one has made a decision and the beaches of Nags Head are embarassing.
I had family down and even though they stayed for free, will be going elsewhere because when they attempted to walk the beaches thru all the DEBRIS they ran into motels and ran out of beach since the ocean was all the way to the dunes. I never would have believed that an OCEAN community could allow this. Unbelievable.

]]> By: Wanchese http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-842 Wanchese Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:42:38 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-842 What's even funnier is this plan if you look at it like this: Bob Oakes takes 36 million out of the fund, 20 now, then 16 million more over 5 years. But he promises us hey, in 10 years, it's back up to 60 million!!! So Nags Head gets 36 million, then in 10 years, the remaining 5 of you get to SPLIT 60 million? ha ha ha! He'll get 36 now when it's worth 36, you all get 12 each when inflation has 10 more years to devalue it! ha ha ha, that is priceless! What’s even funnier is this plan if you look at it like this:
Bob Oakes takes 36 million out of the fund, 20 now, then 16 million more over 5 years.
But he promises us hey, in 10 years, it’s back up to 60 million!!!
So Nags Head gets 36 million, then in 10 years, the remaining 5 of you get to SPLIT 60 million? ha ha ha!
He’ll get 36 now when it’s worth 36, you all get 12 each when inflation has 10 more years to devalue it! ha ha ha, that is priceless!

]]> By: Ray http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-713 Ray Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:57:34 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-713 Good points, Barb. Good points, Barb.

]]> By: Joe http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-711 Joe Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:14:39 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-711 The beach will take care of itself, if left alone. The natural beach will continue to draw tourists. When the front row of homes is gone, there will be a new front row, whose value and property taxes will reflect the new reality. The previous front took a gamble by buying in a known geologically unstable area. They had their time, and then lost the bet. We should not be bailing them out for their lost wagers. When do we get real and look at the long-term expense viability of trying to hold a line in the sand? The beach will take care of itself, if left alone. The natural beach will continue to draw tourists. When the front row of homes is gone, there will be a new front row, whose value and property taxes will reflect the new reality. The previous front took a gamble by buying in a known geologically unstable area. They had their time, and then lost the bet. We should not be bailing them out for their lost wagers.

When do we get real and look at the long-term expense viability of trying to hold a line in the sand?

]]> By: barbara http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-707 barbara Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:44:24 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-707 Alan, I agree COMPLETELY with what you said. Pro-bn folks like to paint us as uncaring about the tourist economy, etc. I'm totally against BN because I know our natural beaches are a BIG draw here. The minute we start taxing, charging fees, dumping sand, etc. we just become another Ocean City or VA beach. Let's be proud of our BEAUTIFUL natural beaches, and all the clean surfing, fishing and other benefits that come with it! That is why I moved here and have called this place home for over 13 years!!! Alan, I agree COMPLETELY with what you said. Pro-bn folks like to paint us as uncaring about the tourist economy, etc. I’m totally against BN because I know our natural beaches are a BIG draw here. The minute we start taxing, charging fees, dumping sand, etc. we just become another Ocean City or VA beach. Let’s be proud of our BEAUTIFUL natural beaches, and all the clean surfing, fishing and other benefits that come with it! That is why I moved here and have called this place home for over 13 years!!!

]]> By: Joe http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-706 Joe Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:26:46 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-706 to selena The berm was not the right sand as you can tell. The sand was too fine and like dirt. This new sand comes from to 4 miles out and is very close to the sand we have on the beach now. They have learned alot from mistakes in the past and one of them is not doing anything at all. to selena
The berm was not the right sand as you can tell. The sand was too fine and like dirt. This new sand comes from to 4 miles out and is very close to the sand we have on the beach now.
They have learned alot from mistakes in the past and one of them is not doing anything at all.

]]> By: Alan http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-701 Alan Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:54:03 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-701 Personally, I would prefer no sand to ever be poured onto the beaches near where I live. I moved here to surf and to fish, and the reports from Surfrider and Surfer Magazine demonstrate that a shorebreak (shore-pound) and no fish are inevitable outcomes of nourishment. However, if the tourism/monetary interests are the majority position, I would respect that and move to what I consider to be a healthy, natural beach where I can surf and enjoy the fish. The fact that we are one of the few actual "natural beach environments" left should count for something when it comes to marketing and the area's attraction. But maybe it doesn't. We might become an artificial "Disney Beach," and again, if that's what the majority wants and our leaders are making informed decisions based on the will of the electorate, I'll concede to the democratic process. Personally, I would prefer no sand to ever be poured onto the beaches near where I live.
I moved here to surf and to fish, and the reports from Surfrider and Surfer Magazine demonstrate that a shorebreak (shore-pound) and no fish are inevitable outcomes of nourishment.
However, if the tourism/monetary interests are the majority position, I would respect that and move to what I consider to be a healthy, natural beach where I can surf and enjoy the fish.
The fact that we are one of the few actual “natural beach environments” left should count for something when it comes to marketing and the area’s attraction. But maybe it doesn’t.
We might become an artificial “Disney Beach,” and again, if that’s what the majority wants and our leaders are making informed decisions based on the will of the electorate, I’ll concede to the democratic process.

]]> By: Tim http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-699 Tim Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:04:31 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-699 We need Beach Nourishment in a number of places in Dare County. We also need laws changed to build jetties and breakwaters to protect the ongoing nourishment and infrastructure. Eventually a line will have to be drawn. Why wait and lose hundreds of homes, miles of roads, water lines, and other utilities? We need to start now. We need Beach Nourishment in a number of places in Dare County. We also need laws changed to build jetties and breakwaters to protect the ongoing nourishment and infrastructure. Eventually a line will have to be drawn. Why wait and lose hundreds of homes, miles of roads, water lines, and other utilities? We need to start now.

]]> By: Alan http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-697 Alan Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:14:04 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-697 70 is the number used by Mr. Oakes for this $36 million to protect. How much would it be to also do KDH and Kitty Hawk? Maybe another $80 million? More, less? What do you think Tim? How much for the Hatteras area? You raise a strong point. Should we be thinking about doing the whole 70 miles? Fair is fair. Again, tourism up 2.1% overall, but you are correct on lodging, down 1.9% that period, could be the recession? I referred to the total amount of money left in the county, which is what Mr. Judge seems to feel is threatened: <a href="http://www.outerbanks.org/visitor_services/press_room/press_releases/2008_Dare_County_Tourism_Figures.pdf" rel="nofollow">Dare County Tourism Figures</a> But it's good to ask questions. Why aren't our leaders batting these numbers around? 70 is the number used by Mr. Oakes for this $36 million to protect.
How much would it be to also do KDH and Kitty Hawk? Maybe another $80 million? More, less? What do you think Tim? How much for the Hatteras area? You raise a strong point. Should we be thinking about doing the whole 70 miles? Fair is fair.
Again, tourism up 2.1% overall, but you are correct on lodging, down 1.9% that period, could be the recession? I referred to the total amount of money left in the county, which is what Mr. Judge seems to feel is threatened:
Dare County Tourism Figures
But it’s good to ask questions. Why aren’t our leaders batting these numbers around?

]]> By: Tim http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/03/09/full-funding-for-sand-projects-not-likely-judge-says/#comment-695 Tim Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:59:09 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=5508#comment-695 There are not just 70 houses at risk. Drive from the Avalon Pier to the Kitty Hawk Pier. You can count 300 homes in danger. And there are other areas just as bad from Duck to Hatteras. There are not just 70 houses at risk. Drive from the Avalon Pier to the Kitty Hawk Pier. You can count 300 homes in danger. And there are other areas just as bad from Duck to Hatteras.

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