Comments on: Sales tax is off the table http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/ Outer Banks news, discussion and opinion, OBX news, Duck, Southern Shores, Kitty Hawk, Kill Devil Hills, Nags Head, Manteo, Hatteras Island news. Thu, 17 May 2012 12:38:51 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Carey Kelley http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-1186 Carey Kelley Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:58:33 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-1186 Am not a commissioner just someone who wants something, anything done. I want to be able to have my family on a safe, debris-free, wide beach. Since you have another answer please get the people who agree to find a way to get the money to get that done. What is your answer and how do you plan to pay for it if everyone who owns there walks away? There is a situation that needs a solution with answers. Please get your people together and do SOMETHING. Stop the talk. Make a plan and find the money. Am not a commissioner just someone who wants something, anything done. I want to be able to have my family on a safe, debris-free, wide beach. Since you have another answer please get the people who agree to find a way to get the money to get that done. What is your answer and how do you plan to pay for it if everyone who owns there walks away?
There is a situation that needs a solution with answers. Please get your people together and do SOMETHING. Stop the talk. Make a plan and find the money.

]]> By: Don http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-1119 Don Thu, 08 Apr 2010 02:29:45 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-1119 Why do Nags Head Commissioners Not understand that NO means NO sand tax? If you want more beachfront condemn all property east of N.C. 12. Please stop wasting our tax $ on beach sand Just Stop. Why do Nags Head Commissioners Not understand that NO means NO sand tax?
If you want more beachfront condemn all property east of N.C. 12.

Please stop wasting our tax $ on beach sand Just Stop.

]]> By: Carey Kelley http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-1114 Carey Kelley Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:29:24 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-1114 Chunks of concrete, asphalt, lumber with nails all will help to build the sand castles for the kids. First video viewed showed all the hunks of debris littering the beach. Not hard to see if you have walked the beach when I did last week. The town of Nags Head (you the people) is a business, like it or not, and the business is the beaches and tourism. As a business owner if I allowed my store front to deteriorate like Nags Head has, I would be out of business. A business needs to reinvest in it's appearence and upkeep to remain sucessful. I am wondering if all opposed are opposed to painting their houses, cutting the grass, replacing the roof, it will only grow again and the paint will only fade, the roof will only need it again in 15 years. Once the roof is leaking will you tear it down and still pay your mortgage? I make my bed every day but I guess that it is futile since I will have to unmake it each night. My heart goes out to the owners of all the hotels, business owners, property owners, not just oceanfront owners but all owners back and across beach road that want their kids and grand kids to enjoy the beach, who will have a mortgage and no way to pay which will lead to more bankrupcies, foreclosers, and broken dreams. I am sure the Yatchsman, Comfort Inn, Owens Motel etc, never put in their business plans that one day they would have to tear it down and lose everything they spent years building. Especially since they, I am sure, have contriubutied to the local economy for years. (why not run those numbers over the life of the busineess to your economy) As a business owner I realize there are many ways to look at things and find a solution. I see a situation that needs a solution. How can you tear down all those large structures, if they all decide to walk away. I would walk away, as a business owner, that thought by helping a community for as long as they have, only to be told, well we let you help us but now we don't need you any more and we don't care if you have a mortgage, a family and have supported us all these years. I am sorry but my wife had to stop the grand kids from playing on the beaches south of the pier due to the hazards. The concrete, asphalt, wood with rusty nails. It was a full moon and the surf was lapping against the Comfort Inn, the dunes, houses, and she was afraid they would be in danger of the surf. This seems to be what the retreat solution will continue to offer all who would come to Nags Head. Another solution to the situation is to tear down all homes and businesses back as far as beach road all at once so that the debris stops and the beach is clear so my kids, grand kids can SAFLEY ENJOY the beach. Is that what we are to expect from a BEACH Town? I am no expert and don't claim to have the years here to be able to say what is best for all in this BEACH town but I do know what I want from a resort that when Outer Banks has been mentioned for years I immediately think Nags Head, not Kitty Hawk or Kill Devil Hills BUT Nags Head. I want a BEACH that can be ranked one of the best. To be the best look at what the best does and do what it takes or just let it all go and walk away. Chunks of concrete, asphalt, lumber with nails all will help to build the sand castles for the kids.
First video viewed showed all the hunks of debris littering the beach. Not hard to see if you have walked the beach when I did last week.
The town of Nags Head (you the people) is a business, like it or not, and the business is the beaches and tourism. As a business owner if I allowed my store front to deteriorate like Nags Head has, I would be out of business. A business needs to reinvest in it’s appearence and upkeep to remain sucessful.
I am wondering if all opposed are opposed to painting their houses, cutting the grass, replacing the roof, it will only grow again and the paint will only fade, the roof will only need it again in 15 years. Once the roof is leaking will you tear it down and still pay your mortgage? I make my bed every day but I guess that it is futile since I will have to unmake it each night.
My heart goes out to the owners of all the hotels, business owners, property owners, not just oceanfront owners but all owners back and across beach road that want their kids and grand kids to enjoy the beach, who will have a mortgage and no way to pay which will lead to more bankrupcies, foreclosers, and broken dreams.
I am sure the Yatchsman, Comfort Inn, Owens Motel etc, never put in their business plans that one day they would have to tear it down and lose everything they spent years building. Especially since they, I am sure, have contriubutied to the local economy for years. (why not run those numbers over the life of the busineess to your economy)
As a business owner I realize there are many ways to look at things and find a solution. I see a situation that needs a solution. How can you tear down all those large structures, if they all decide to walk away. I would walk away, as a business owner, that thought by helping a community for as long as they have, only to be told, well we let you help us but now we don’t need you any more and we don’t care if you have a mortgage, a family and have supported us all these years.
I am sorry but my wife had to stop the grand kids from playing on the beaches south of the pier due to the hazards. The concrete, asphalt, wood with rusty nails. It was a full moon and the surf was lapping against the Comfort Inn, the dunes, houses, and she was afraid they would be in danger of the surf. This seems to be what the retreat solution will continue to offer all who would come to Nags Head.
Another solution to the situation is to tear down all homes and businesses back as far as beach road all at once so that the debris stops and the beach is clear so my kids, grand kids can SAFLEY ENJOY the beach. Is that what we are to expect from a BEACH Town?
I am no expert and don’t claim to have the years here to be able to say what is best for all in this BEACH town but I do know what I want from a resort that when Outer Banks has been mentioned for years I immediately think Nags Head, not Kitty Hawk or Kill Devil Hills BUT Nags Head. I want a BEACH that can be ranked one of the best. To be the best look at what the best does and do what it takes or just let it all go and walk away.

]]> By: Video of OBX/Nags Head http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-1075 Video of OBX/Nags Head Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:52:53 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-1075 The beaches are not that bad: I refer to South Nags Head video from this month from Village Realty's own Youtube account. Overall, they are no worse than any other beach from Duck to Hatteras. Look at the joggers, the beachcombers etc. Is this all just a scare tactic by the town govt? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU43bIcZSM Here's one in the heart of the nourishment zone: http://www.youtube.com/user/VillageRealtyOBX#p/u/8/OCctkk2hFrg The beaches are not that bad:

I refer to South Nags Head video from this month from Village Realty’s own Youtube account.

Overall, they are no worse than any other beach from Duck to Hatteras. Look at the joggers, the beachcombers etc. Is this all just a scare tactic by the town govt?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU43bIcZSM

Here’s one in the heart of the nourishment zone:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VillageRealtyOBX#p/u/8/OCctkk2hFrg

]]> By: Carey Kelley http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-1054 Carey Kelley Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:17:52 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-1054 Has any one that is in opposition walked the beach from NEW pier south. I have owned for 5 years in Nags Head and am appalled at the condition of this area. You should be ashamed of yourselves to let it get to this. Whenever I heard the words Outer Banks I thought immediatly of Nags Head and beaches, these aren’t beaches they are dumps. Talk about costs how much will it cost to demo the Comfort Inn, the Yatchsman, the Whalebone motel, Owens motel, etc., and how much revenue will be lost there? I took video today and would love to see what all the folks on YouTube would think of Nags Head. I am in total disbelief that you could even consider letting this continue. This has gone on for 20 years and and no one has made a decision and the beaches of Nags Head are embarassing. I had family down and even though they stayed for free, will be going elsewhere because when they attempted to walk the beaches thru all the DEBRIS they ran into motels and ran out of beach since the ocean was all the way to the dunes. I never would have believed that an OCEAN community could allow this. Unbelievable. Has any one that is in opposition walked the beach from NEW pier south.
I have owned for 5 years in Nags Head and am appalled at the condition of this area. You should be ashamed of yourselves to let it get to this. Whenever I heard the words Outer Banks I thought immediatly of Nags Head and beaches, these aren’t beaches they are dumps. Talk about costs how much will it cost to demo the Comfort Inn, the Yatchsman, the Whalebone motel, Owens motel, etc., and how much revenue will be lost there?
I took video today and would love to see what all the folks on YouTube would think of Nags Head. I am in total disbelief that you could even consider letting this continue.
This has gone on for 20 years and and no one has made a decision and the beaches of Nags Head are embarassing.
I had family down and even though they stayed for free, will be going elsewhere because when they attempted to walk the beaches thru all the DEBRIS they ran into motels and ran out of beach since the ocean was all the way to the dunes. I never would have believed that an OCEAN community could allow this. Unbelievable.

]]> By: bouy9 http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-714 bouy9 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:11:21 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-714 i love that reggae song "how come the white man build his house in the sand, when there is no foundation" the physical and metaphorical implications and spiritual all seem to apply, bottom line is the banks are meant to move and we are trying to manipulate this giant spit to our benefit and are only moving forward into a complicated and more problematic Outer Banks! we are messing around with an unstable sand spit to begin with. i love that reggae song “how come the white man build his house in the sand, when there is no foundation” the physical and metaphorical implications and spiritual all seem to apply, bottom line is the banks are meant to move and we are trying to manipulate this giant spit to our benefit and are only moving forward into a complicated and more problematic Outer Banks! we are messing around with an unstable sand spit to begin with.

]]> By: newjake http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-397 newjake Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:09:43 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-397 Very cool, loved your quote "I hope that alternatives group will be the Beach Plan committee, meeting Saturday March 6. We need everyone’s ideas." Reply is there: http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/02/19/behind-the-story-a-nourishment-sandstorm/ thanks again for the response. Very cool, loved your quote “I hope that alternatives group will be the Beach Plan committee, meeting Saturday March 6. We need everyone’s ideas.” Reply is there:
http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/02/19/behind-the-story-a-nourishment-sandstorm/
thanks again for the response.

]]> By: Bob O http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-391 Bob O Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:14:31 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-391 New Jake, I admit there is a risk, but the risk of 4.6 million cubic yards of sand washing away in a week is probably less than my chances of winning the lottery. The occupancy tax is a tax on rental companies and their property owners' revenue. If you're a visitor, and your absolute top budget is $100 a night, you take tax into account on your total. If tax is 10%, you only spend $90 on rent. If tax is 0%, you still pay $100, but it goes to the owner of the property. That rent is what rental companies base their commission to the owner on. So a tax on the occupancy revenue decreases the dollars to the rental property owner and the rental company. So why would they be interested in another tax on themselves? I think they see future erosion as a bigger long-term threat to their income and property value. And it means this tax doesn't get paid by hard working locals, just like you said it shouldn't. And that renourishment number over 50 years? Our first estimate was $5.25 million every 5 years, so 10 renourishments in 50 years = $52.5 million, not $360 million. New Jake, I admit there is a risk, but the risk of 4.6 million cubic yards of sand washing away in a week is probably less than my chances of winning the lottery.

The occupancy tax is a tax on rental companies and their property owners’ revenue. If you’re a visitor, and your absolute top budget is $100 a night, you take tax into account on your total. If tax is 10%, you only spend $90 on rent. If tax is 0%, you still pay $100, but it goes to the owner of the property. That rent is what rental companies base their commission to the owner on. So a tax on the occupancy revenue decreases the dollars to the rental property owner and the rental company.

So why would they be interested in another tax on themselves? I think they see future erosion as a bigger long-term threat to their income and property value.

And it means this tax doesn’t get paid by hard working locals, just like you said it shouldn’t.

And that renourishment number over 50 years? Our first estimate was $5.25 million every 5 years, so 10 renourishments in 50 years = $52.5 million, not $360 million.

]]> By: Bobby http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-385 Bobby Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:05:44 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-385 No, those on the ocean should pay more. But without tourism we are just another broke coastal town no matter where your real estate is located. We have been watching the death of the towns slowly over the last several years. A great indicator . . . the drop in students attending our schools. Where is everyone going and why is an interesting question. Embrace what fuels this area and support it. No, those on the ocean should pay more. But without tourism we are just another broke coastal town no matter where your real estate is located. We have been watching the death of the towns slowly over the last several years. A great indicator . . . the drop in students attending our schools. Where is everyone going and why is an interesting question. Embrace what fuels this area and support it.

]]> By: newjake http://outerbanksvoice.com/2010/01/30/nags-head-oks-funding-plan-to-rebuild-beaches/#comment-384 newjake Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:27:52 +0000 http://outerbanksvoice.com/?p=2300#comment-384 4. How about a tax on the real estate management company revenue? It is they, and the homeowner, who directly benefit from wider beaches, but as far as I can tell, only the renter and the owner pay extra taxes. Would it be a good time to discuss Joe Lamb, Carolina Designs, Sun, Village Realty and the rest kicking in a portion of their proceeds? Could someone from the Association of Realtors address this? 4. How about a tax on the real estate management company revenue? It is they, and the homeowner, who directly benefit from wider beaches, but as far as I can tell, only the renter and the owner pay extra taxes.

Would it be a good time to discuss Joe Lamb, Carolina Designs, Sun, Village Realty and the rest kicking in a portion of their proceeds? Could someone from the Association of Realtors address this?

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